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January 21st, 2006 (12:07 pm)
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current mood: annoyed
current song: Red vs Blue

In another livejournal community, someone decided to post an anonymous message about my manga sharing:

no manga is free. all of us who scanslate these wonderful stories actually BUY the manga. and we encourage people to buy it in english, possibly in japanese too, to support the mangaka. 2 of the ones you have up as "free" are in fact licensed. wild rock is available and hybrid child will be available sometime this year. from one manga lover to others, please, go out and buy them instead of just dling the "free manga"....which some wonderful mangakas have worked so hard to create.

Which is very odd to me because I do buy manga. In fact, they know me quite well at my local Waldenbooks and are always quite happy to see me. But I figured you'd like some proof.

This is my shelf of manga. This is where I keep the stuff that I still like to read. Notice by this pic and this pic, that these shelves have two layers of manga on them. One in the front and one in the back. BTW, I have some manga stored in the bottom three containers here. And some in the basement which I'm not photographing because it's cold.

Here's some of my yaoi. Notice Wild Rock is in there. So is Love Mode and a few others I've shared. What's not included is the full set of Gravitation and the full set of FAKE. I also have From Eroica With Love 1-4, all of Petshop of Horrors, all of Demon Diary, 1-9 of Descendents of Darkness (Yami no Matsuei), and a bunch of others that hint at hot guys snogging but will probably never deliver. Those are on the shelf. And if I'm too lazy to clean my room, I'm too lazy to take them down. I pretty much have all the yaoi that my local Waldenbooks has put out. With the exception of the rest of Kizuna and Level C. I've lost interest on those and have stopped buying them. And no, I don't have the scanlations for either.

So what does this prove? One, yaoi_onna is a lazy bitch who can't clean her room. Two, those weren't ghost orbs, I just have a cheap digital camera. Three, yaoi_onna has been collecting manga for a long time now and needs to get a life. But the most important lesson is, scanlations work. They get people interested in a manga and will actually buy manga. The purpose of free manga isn't to discourage the people from buying manga. It's to get them interested so they will buy it. Why do you think that Tokyopop and Viz are still going strong? And why do you think they haven't been shutting down many scanlation sites? Because people are more likely to buy something if they know what they're getting. And scanlations make people interested in manga. I've converted several real life friends into mangaholics just from giving them scanlations alone. But enough with the ranting. You'll believe what you want to believe.

And you know what? Thank you anonymous troll. You've gotten me interested in sharing manga again. I think I'll do some uploading this weekend, if I get the chance.

Comments

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 09:05 am (UTC)

what a fuckin pig stye you live in

Posted by: yaoi_onna (yaoi_onna)
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 09:20 am (UTC)

Once again, another brave person posting anonymously. Yes, I am a messy person. I already said that during the post. Dumbass.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 09:17 am (UTC)

where do you get your scanlations? from irc?

Posted by: yaoi_onna (yaoi_onna)
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 09:23 am (UTC)

Yes, I do get most of my scanlations from IRC. For the regular stuff, I've found a great channel with some fantastic distro bots. But for yaoi, I pick one of the more popular groups and go to their channels. I cross my fingers and hope that there's someone sharing that I can actually download from them and they aren't queued up.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 09:49 am (UTC)
troll? i can live with that

i was the first "troll" and what i took exception to was your calling it "free" manga. no manga is free. and the second thing i took exception to is you putting up licensed manga for people to DOWNLOAD instead of going out to BUY it. you buy manga? great. so, don't put up manga that people can go out to buy. because, 95% of people WON'T buy it if they can download it "free". and i don't believe i ever called you a bitch.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 09:51 am (UTC)
Re: troll? i can live with that

oh, and i forgot to tell you, i'm "Anonymous" because i don't have a LJ id or whatever. not out of fear of you or anyone else. you wanna find me on irc, look for "mei". that's me

Posted by: yaoi_onna (yaoi_onna)
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 10:03 am (UTC)
Re: troll? i can live with that

And you're still not making your arguement valid by forgetting to tell me what server you're on. Although, my guess is IRCHighway.

Posted by: yaoi_onna (yaoi_onna)
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 10:02 am (UTC)
Re: troll? i can live with that

i was the first "troll" and what i took exception to was your calling it "free" manga. no manga is free.

I didn't call it free manga. That's the name of the livejournal community. If you don't like the community's name, go to their user info, find out the group's maintainers and tell them you don't like the name.

i took exception to is you putting up licensed manga for people to DOWNLOAD instead of going out to BUY it.

Did you even look at the dates of the original post? It was in August. I think maybe Wild Rock was liscenced at the time. I had completely forgotten it was up there.

and i don't believe i ever called you a bitch

The only place I use the word bitch is when I call myself a lazy bitch for not cleaning my room. I never said that you said I was a bitch.

Posted by: Ryo0oki (ryo0oki)
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC)
Re: troll? i can live with that

I very rarely buy manga. The 95% of people (a statistic that you pulled out of your ass, by the way) who wouldn't buy manga, wouldn't buy it regardless of whether there are scanlations or not. Think about it logically! Why would I buy something when I've never heard of it? If I wanted to simply read (certain) yaoi manga, I'd do it in a bookstore!

The only manga that I've bought are ones that I like enough to want a copy of... Viewfinders 1 and 3, and Crimson Spell 1. And the YA artbook. All of those I already have on my hard drive! I also own Wish 3 and 4, but I read all of Wish in the bookstore before I bought those two volumes.

If you are not someone who does not frequently buy manga, how would you know we think, anyway?

Posted by: keira (keira23)
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC)

Hello, yaoi_onna

I don't know how, but I was able to run into this post.
I normally don't like to get into this talk because it's
hard to come down with a conclusion who is right and wrong,
but I gotta say, You buy your mangas. Thank you for
supporting the mangakas.

"Clearing your room" and "licensed manga" has nothing to do with each other.
I just love how some people "know" they are wrong, and the only way to
support their words is by trying to use another "subject" to throw at you.

Whether I keep my room clean or not, that won't change the fact I love yaoi.

And everyone knows that there are fservers on IRC sharing Licensed stuffs!
I've also seen a lot of websites sharing licensed stuffs, not to mention
scanltaion groups working on mangas whether they are licensed or not.

Seriously, some people just gotta stop picking on others.
We have LJs to share and talk among friends, not to create WWIII.

hmmm... for future references, you may wanna lock your post (for friends only) so no outsider will able to post. And the mangas you share, will only be shared among friends.

I will admit that few days ago, I was sharing lovemode scans with couple of my friends. NOTE: One of them loved it and she will get them all, and I trust her words because she buys yaoi mangas (from Japan) 4 times a month.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)

Well the original post (the one in the manga sharing community with the manga) that was commented on was back in August. That community is now a friends only community. So if I share in that community, it will be friends only.

Posted by: yaoi_onna (yaoi_onna)
Posted at: January 21st, 2006 03:50 pm (UTC)

That was me. It logged me out.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: February 22nd, 2006 03:17 pm (UTC)
You're Right

It is true, scanlations do help others be introduced to a certain manga, or mangaka, a sort of advertisement to go out and buy the manga. And I do that exactly its been about four 1/2 years since I started with the whole anime and manga craze and I've been out dropping at lots of bookstores, Borders will always be my favorite, ordering by mail, phone and other types just to get that manga. I've started a collection of my own BECAUSE I saw the scanlations. It's not leeching to me at all, many that I've known are going out to BUY Loveless right now, even though they have all full scanlations themselves on their computer. We dont distribute, we dont sell them, we respect others who take so much time scanlating and translating, all we do is enjoy the manga they put off and support them by buying the mangas once out. So I thank you yaoi_onna, and tell all the other "Anonymous" who spread lies and such meanful accusations that they can stick all that up where the sun dont shine, because I know how it feels like to scanlate other mangas, its a bitch translating an dgoing through all thta jazz, but its worth it in the end knowing others are reading them and off buying them, and I know many that do exactly that.

Posted by: zacia (zacia)
Posted at: March 23rd, 2006 05:38 pm (UTC)
haha

Well you seem wonderful. I heard that communities like Yaoi Daily and stuff were actually making manga sales go up. ^_^. And I keep buying yaoi manga too, even if I have seen the scanlations...so yeah...

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: May 13th, 2006 05:21 pm (UTC)
spector

Yeah. D/L'ing manga online...it's just like going to your local library. The only difference between these two is that libraries that I see usually don't have "manga" sections. Everyone gets to read books for FREE, does this hurt sales? I have no idea. BUT it is a form of advertisement and, when people like the work, they will generally go out of their way to read more via bookstore or library, or even purchase their own copy if they love the book enough (harry potter anyone?).
My prediction is, is that if manga weren't distributed online like this they probably wouldn't be published in places like the US. Without a solid fanbase it's hard to start something in a foreign country (different culture and all...it's hard to tell what people will accept/reject).
From the presepective of a foreigner, the US, being a "Christian" country and all, it's a RISKY business publishing stories about gay men and getting them onto shelves in stores like Barnes and Noble or Borders. I think the scanlating world has shown that this conception isn't true, and that people are willing to buy a story about two men fucking (or kissing, or whatever).
I think the transition of manga from places like Japan/china/korea into stuff english speakers can understand also helps spreads awareness about foreign culture and sexuality to those who read them. I've learned a lot about Japanese culture from these books (sneaky pictoral bastards), without them I'd probably view Japan as an uptight country in need of some good porn (I go to UC Berkeley and in one class, while we were talking about sexuality, a lot of students were surprised that places like Japan were more open about these things than America has been...they were pretty shocked hearing about all the cartoons dedicated to relationships we'd consider taboo). I was fortunate to not be one of the ignorant, only because items such as manga and subbed anime (not distributed in the US) were avaliable to me in english.

Despite the US' large porn industry, having things like Love Mode translated into English and then put onto bookstore shelves is a big thing. I know in my hometown was being a christian bitch about playing brokeback mountain (only one theatre played it...in a population of around 900 thousand). I was pretty surprised to find it was licensed. And it was probably licensed BECAUSE it got such a good response from english speakers via scanlation community.

lirin@sailormoon.com

Posted by: warui_futago (warui_futago)
Posted at: May 15th, 2006 07:10 am (UTC)
viewfinder

I'd like to first say thanks for all your effort in spreading yaoi. I stumbled upon your lj a long long time ago. That time I was just starting to discover a whole new world of manga...yaoi. I have been a follower of shojo manga but ever since I discovered yaoi it has become part of my manga collection. I have you to thank for that because if I have not read the stories you have on your lj it wouldn't have started my interest in reading more. You introduced me to one of my favorite Ayano Yamane. So *hugs* and *thanks* for all you've done. Sorry too for leeching & keeping quiet for so long. I haven't visited your lj but when I did today & read that someone is giving you some heat about scanlation I can't remain silent about it. I highly appreciate people who do scanlation. I hate people who sell other poeple's scanlation on ebay. People do scanlation bec. they love a manga & want to share it with other fans. Like you, if I like the manga I buy the JP and the english release because I want to enjoy my tankoubons whenever & wherever I want to. But thanks to scanlations manga has become a big industry in the US. Licensed or not I want to see a manga before I buy it bec usually yaoi is not accessible to local bookstores & if it is I feel guilty opening the shrink wrap in case it get in the hands of someone not old enough to read it. So heads up & you have a lot of people supporting you.

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Posted by: yaoi_onna (yaoi_onna)
Posted at: June 7th, 2006 02:29 pm (UTC)
pirate

Oh yeah, I made that. I used that font because it was the only small font that Paint Shop Pro would make look halfway decent. You can use it but credit me.

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